First of all, without making any statement on either Chinese Government or Tibetan Protester, Let's see some evidence of incorrect reporting. While you are looking at the first picture, Please try to memorize what Chinese police wear, and compare with what is on the people in all other pictures.. Pay attention to skin color as well, Please.
Now, would you still believe what you hear and what you see on TV??
THINK TWICE
17 comments:
Firstly I want to say that killing is not justified. There is no excuse for killing innocent people, if that is what happened. However, just to clarify, the picture you showed from the Washingon Post may have been deceiving, but it was part of a photo album that clearly stated that the police were Nepalese. If you don't believe me search it yourself. Secondly, although the CNN photo was altered on that occasion, the full photo was also shown on CNN (search you will find it). You should never entirely trust the media in any country and that includes the China Daily and Renmin Ribao.
I would say that I can support your antiviolence stance and if evidence is misleading than that too.
But the weight of evidence against the Chinese government is so absolutely huge over the past 50 years. A few altered photos does not change the fact that Chinese troops have been oppressing and killing Tibetans and Uighurs for 50 years. People do not riot for fun, they do it because they are frustated with being bullied, frustated with being locked out of the economy in favour of the Han, frustated because they have no cultural or religious rights, frustated because their country is being flooded with Han Chinese and they are becoming a minority in their own land.
Once again, I cannot defend violence, but I can support Tibetans or Uighurs standing up and protesting for their rights. The Chinese did it on June 4th 1989 and the government crushed the students. Now it time for the Tibetans to do the same. If you understand the problems on June 4th 1989, then you understand 50% of the Tibetan and Uighur problems also.
Let me make it clear, that I am not anti-Chinese. I love China. I have lived in China and also in Taiwan. I have also visited Xinjiang and Tibet. I want you all to be peaceful and prosperous. But China will always have this problem on its back if it does not change its policies toward Tibet and Xinjiang. I hope eventually a solution can be found which is accepteable to everyone.
Hey, if you are students, then you must have access to EBSCO and JSTOR databases at your universities. Do a search for Tibet (or Xinjiang or human rights) and you will find lots of articles about this situation, many written by Chinese.
You are right that sometimes the press exagerates, so go to your library and find out the real truth.
All media (Western, Chinese, Tibetan, Iranian, African, etc) make mistakes and lie.
If you want to know the real situation, instead of asking a Westerner or a Chinese, ask a Tibetan. A free thinking, independent Tibetan. Not a Tibetan who has stakes of his/her family's security inside Tibet.
Your efforts to support your country is noble, but the courageous Tibetans who are risking their lives by demanding an end to Chinese rule is even more admirable.
I say we should focus the riots now on Chinese businesses and consulates outside of China. How about right now here in Vancouver for a start. China is a disease which needs to be stamped out—both for it's environmental and human rights record.
All u guys must never been to Tibet. Go there and say something later. Without China, Tibet will be still a slavery society. Moreover, they did not even has such simple law to judge rapers and pedifiles, because such activities were considered legal in old Tibet.
I have been to Tibet, Xinjiang, Tibetan refugee camps in India and Nepal and I have lived and worked in China and Taiwan.
I am betting that nearly everyone that turns up on Saturday will be mainland Chinese and I am also betting that none of them have been to Tibet.
Chinese rarely travel and none of them would ever go to Tibet or Xinjiang because it is considered dangerous (and perhaps it is if you are Chinese).
I am not necessarily for independence for these areas. This would be my plan. With the agreement of China and negotiated with the UN, the Uighurs and the Tibetans would be able to hold a referendum on independence or classfication as a 'special administrative area' in, say, 10 years time. The Chinese government would have ten years to make up for the problems they have caused in Xinjiang and Tibet to the point where the Tibetans and Uighurs would want to stay as part of China. The onus would be on China to listen to the people and work through the problems.
At the end of the ten years they get to vote on what they want to do.
Anonymous who posted at 5:37, your an idiot.
Anonymous who posted at 8:12, you have been brained washed. If you want to see a Tibetan Buddhist country that is free and democratic today, search for 'Bhutan'. They just had democratic elections for the first time, and, I might add, many years before China will.
China was also a sihthole in 1949.
Buying the dragons teeth:
http://www.boycottmadeinchina.org/
The question which remains side tracked and unanswered on this blog is:
Why are the Chinese in Tibet in the first place?
An anonymous blogger just commented that without China Tibet will still be barbaric, feudal society. Let me remind my friend that about a century and half back when the Europeans conquered China and divided it among themselves, that is exactly what they said. They felt it was the white man's burden to help these poor, barbaric Chinese.
So now do you think China has achieved what it has right now under the white man's yoke?
Similarly Tibetans will do well for themselves once they have their freedom. Bhutan is a prime example with a culture and economy similar to Tibet. It is indeed really prosperous.
There are good lessons to learn from history!
"We are the ones who have a more comprehended and unbiased perspective towards the issues currently exists in China"
LOL
Have any of you ever been to Tibet? Have any of you ever spoken to a Tibetan? Of course not!
There is no such thing as an unbias perspective in a country without a free press. It is by nature, politically bias.
FACT : The riots in Lhasa were done by Tibetans.
MYTH : Dalai Lama orchestrated the riots
FACT : TIBETANS are oppressed under Chinese Rule.
MYTH : Tibet is Happy under Chinese.
FACT : TIBETANS want the Chinese to leave their Country.
MYTH : Tibet was "always" part of China.
March 29th 2008
As you take part in your stupid rally, riots continue in Lhasa, The link below is taken from the arab media, not western;
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/0AA41F5C-DC1F-4531-A3D7-97845A1697FE.htm
So did anyone trun up at this rally?
HELLO....................?
I was shocked and depressed to see that there was a pro-China poster in my school, Langara. Perhaps you would be more suited to study back in China, were you can remain good little robots.
A few points:
1)These 'Chinese' who are pro-China are not representative of the 'Chinese' who are pro-human rights. We should forgive them for their ignorance.
2)The pro-China people, (most likely recent immigrants from China) had grown up under a regime that only provided one sided information to its citizens, especially the children in schools. Truth was never the aim of the communist government regime. Only government propaganda and rhetoric.
3) It's ironic that the pro-Chinas were able to demonstrate in a public place without fear of being convicted as 'anti-Government' organizers and being sent to labour camps or be executed. I don't think these pro-Chinas had thanked Canada or Canadians for this 'right' to express their opinions. Welcome to a free country!
… For more than a decade, I have frequently entered Tibet and often stayed there for a long time, traveling or working. I have met all kinds of Tibetans, from youngsters on the streets, folk artists, herders on the grasslands, mystic doctors in mountain villages, to ordinary cadres in state agencies, street vendors in Lhasa, monks and cleaners in monasteries, artists and writers…Among those Tibetans I have met, some frankly told me that Tibet was a small country several decades ago, with its own government, religious leader, currency and military; some stay silent, with a sense of helplessness, and avoid talking with me, a Han Chinese, afraid this is an awkward subject. Some think that no matter what happened, it is an historical fact that Chinese and Tibetans had a long history of exchanges with each other, and the relationship must be carefully maintained by both sides. Some were angered by the railway project, and by those roads named “Beijing Road,” “Jiangsu Road,” “Sichuan-Tibet road,” but others accept them happily. Some say that you (Han Chinese) invest millions in Tibet but you also got what you wanted and even more; some say you invest in the development but you also destroy, and what you destroy is exactly what we treasure….. What I want to say here is that no matter how different these people are, they have one thing in common: They have their own view of history, and a profound religious belief.
For anyone who has been to Tibet, he/she should sense such a religious belief among Tibetans. As the matter of fact, many are shocked by it. Such attitude has carried on throughout their history, and is expressed in their daily lives. This is a very different value, especially compared with those Han Chinese who have no beliefs, and now worship the cult of money. This religious belief is what Tibetans care about the most. They project this belief onto the Dalai Lama as a religious persona.
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For anyone who has been to Tibet, it should not be strange to see the “common Tibetan scene”: Is there any Tibetan who does not worship him (the Dalai Lama)? Is there any Tibetan unwilling to hang up his photo in his own shrine? (These photos are smuggled back in from abroad, secretly copied and enlarged, not like those Mao portraits printed by the government that we Han Chinese once had to hang up.) Is there any Tibetan who wants to verbally disrepect the Dalai Lama? Is there a Tibetan who does not want to see him? Is there any Tibetan who does not want to present Hada [white welcoming scarf] to him?
Other than those voices that the rulers want to hear, have we ever heard the Tibetans’ full, real voices? Those Han Chinese who have been in Tibet, now matter if one is a high official, government cadre, tourist or businessman, have we all heard their real voices, which are silenced, but are still echoing everywhere?
Is this the real reason that all monasteries in Tibet are forbidden from hanging up the Dalai Lama’s picture? Is this the reason that all work units have officials to check in every household and to punish those who hang up his picture? Is this the reason that the government has people to stop those believers on the pilgrimage path on every religious celebration day? Is this the reason for the policy barring government employees from having their children study in Dharamsala; otherwise, they will be fired and their house will be taken away? Is this the reason that at all sensitive times, government officials will hold meetings in monasteries, to force monks to promise to “support the Party’s leadership” and “Have no relations with the Dalai splitist cliques”? Is this the reason we refuse to negotiate, and constantly use dehumanizing language to humiliate him? After all, isn’t this the very reason to reinforce the “common Tibetan scene,” making this symbol of nationality more holy? ……
Why can’t we sit down with the Dalai Lama who has abandoned calls for “independence” and now advocates a “middle way,” and negotiate with him with sincerity, to achieve “stability” and “unity” through him?
Because the power difference of the two sides is too big. We are too many people, too powerful: Other than guns and money, and cultural destruction and spiritual rape, we do not know other ways to achieve “harmony.”
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This group of people who believe in Buddhism because they believe in cause and effect and transmigration of souls, oppose anger and hatred, developed a philosophy that Han nationalists will never be able to understand. Several Tibetan monk friends, just the “troublemaker monk” type that are in the monasteries explained to me their view on “independence”: “actually, we may well have been ethnic Han in a previous incarnation, and in our next incarnation we might well become ethnic Han. And some ethnic Han in a previous life may well have been Tibetan or may become Tibetan in their next life. Foreigners or Chinese, men or women, lovers aand enemies, the souls of the world transmigrate without end. As the wheel turns, states arise and die, so what need is there for independence?” This kind of religion, this kind of believer, can one ever think that they would be easy to control? Yet there is a paradox here: if one wants them to give up the desire for independence, then one must respect and protect their religion.
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Not long ago, I read some posts by some radical Tibetans on an online forum about Tibet. These posts were roughly saying: “We do not believe in Buddhism, we do not believe in karma. But we have not forgotten that we are Tibetan. We have not forgotten our homeland. Now we believe the philosophy of you Han Chinese: Power comes out of the barrel of a gun! Why did you Han Chinese come to Tibet? Tibet belongs to Tibetans. Get out of Tibet!”
Of course behind those posts, there are an overwhelming number of posts from Han “ patriots.” Almost without exception, those replies are full of words such as “Kill them!” “Wipe them out!” “Wash them with blood!” “Dalai is a liar!” — those “passions” of the worshippers of violence that we are all so familiar with.
When I read these posts, I feel so sad. So this is karma. ……
In the last week, after I put down the phone which cannot reach anyone on the the other end, when I face the information black hole caused by internet blockage, even I believe what Xinhua has said — strangely I do believe this part: There were Tibetans who set fire to shops and killed those poor innocent Han Chinese who were just there to make a living. And I still feel extremely sad. Since when were such seeds planted? During the gunshots of 1959? During the massive destruction during the Cultural Revolution? During the crackdown in 1989? During the time we put their Panchen Lama under house arrest and replaced him with our own puppet? During those countless political meetings and confessions in the monasteries? Or during the time when a seventeen-year-old nun was shot on the magnificent snowy mountain, just because she wanted to see the Dalai Lama? ……..
Or during numerous moments which seem trivial but which make me ashamed: I was ashamed when I saw Tibetans buy live fish from Han fish sellers on the street and put them back in the Lhasa river; I was ashamed when I saw more and more Han beggars on the streets of Lhasa–even beggars know it is easier to beg in Tibet than in Han areas; I felt ashamed when I saw those ugly scars from mines on the sacred mountains in the morning sunlight; I felt ashamed when I heard the Han Chinese elite complain that the Chinese government has invested so many millions of yuan, that economic policy favors Tibetans, and that the GDP has grown so fast, so, “What else do these Tibetans want?”
Why can’t you understand that people have different values? While you believe in brainwashing, the power of a gun and of money, there is a spiritual belief that has been in their minds for thousands of years and cannot be washed away. When you claim yourselves as “saviors of Tibetans from slavery society,” I am ashamed for your arrogance and your delusions. When military police with their guns pass by me in the streets of Lhasa, and each time I am there I can see row upon row of military bases… yes, I, a Han Chinese, feel ashamed.
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What makes me feel most ashamed is the “patriotic majority”: You people are the decedents of Qinshi Huangdi who knows only conquering by killing; you are the chauvinists who rule the weak by force; you are those cowards who hide behind guns and call for shooting the victims; you suffer from Stockholm Syndrome; you are the blood-thirsty crazies of an “advanced” culture of Slow slicing and Castration. You are the sick minds waving the “patriotic” flag. I look down on you. If you are Han Chinese, I am ashamed to be one of you.
Lhasa is on fire, and there are gunshots in Tibetan areas in Sichuan and Qinghai. Even I believe this — actually, I do believe this part of the facts. In those “patriotic” posts which shout “Kill them!” “Wipe them out!” “Wash them with blood!” “Dalai is a liar!” I saw the mirror image of those Tibetan radicals. Let me say that you people (“patriotic youth”) are Han chauvinists who destroy thousands of years of friendship between Han and Tibetan people; you are the main contributors to the hatred between ethnic groups. You people do not really “highly support” the authority; rather, you people are in effect “highly supporting” “Tibetan independence.”
Tibet is disappearing. The spirit which makes her beautiful and peaceful is disappearing. She is becoming us, becoming what she does not want to become. What other choice does she have when facing the anxiety of being alienated? To hold onto her tradition and culture, and revive her ancient civilization? Or to commit suicidal acts which will only add to Han nationalists’ bloody, shameful glory?
Yes, I love Tibet. I am a Han Chinese who loves Tibet, regardless of whether she is a nation or a province, as long as she is so voluntarily. Personally, I would like to have them (Tibetans) belong to the same big family with me. I embrace relationships which come self-selected and on equal footing, not controlled or forced, both between peoples and nations. I have no interest in feeling “powerful,” to make others fear you and be forced to obey you, both between people and between nations, because what’s behind such a “feeling” is truly disgusting. I have left her (Tibet) several years ago, and missing her has become part of my daily life. I long to go back to Tibet, as a welcomed Han Chinese, to enjoy a real friendship as equal neighbor or a family member.
2008．3．21
(Tang Danhong moved to Israel from Chengdu in 2005, and is currently teaching Chinese language at Tel Aviv University.)
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